1 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:09,110 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:25,100 hello and welcome to the skeptics are an 3 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:28,290 episode about 316 for the ninth of 4 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:31,290 November 2014 Richard Saunders here with 5 00:00:36,380 --> 00:00:33,570 you from Sydney Australia and isn't the 6 00:00:39,020 --> 00:00:36,390 weather wonderful today coming up on 7 00:00:42,529 --> 00:00:39,030 this week's show we have a double shot a 8 00:00:45,349 --> 00:00:42,539 double dose a double dare maynard's 9 00:00:46,610 --> 00:00:45,359 spooky action man is going to kick off 10 00:00:49,549 --> 00:00:46,620 the show this week with an interview 11 00:00:53,090 --> 00:00:49,559 with Tim Ferguson from the dog Anthony 12 00:00:56,389 --> 00:00:53,100 all-stars a really famous comedy singing 13 00:00:58,579 --> 00:00:56,399 type act here in Australia tim is a 14 00:01:01,219 --> 00:00:58,589 really interesting man Tim what an 15 00:01:04,070 --> 00:01:01,229 interesting man he is he's got ms 16 00:01:06,140 --> 00:01:04,080 multiple sclerosis but he doesn't let 17 00:01:08,060 --> 00:01:06,150 that slow him down I'll stop him no no 18 00:01:10,820 --> 00:01:08,070 no they're still touring the dog Anthony 19 00:01:13,490 --> 00:01:10,830 all-stars and I think you'll find this 20 00:01:15,500 --> 00:01:13,500 interview interesting because tim has 21 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:15,510 been on the receiving end of all sorts 22 00:01:19,070 --> 00:01:17,280 of the interesting advice about his 23 00:01:23,270 --> 00:01:19,080 condition from probably well-meaning 24 00:01:26,090 --> 00:01:23,280 people some pretty crazy advice to Tim 25 00:01:28,250 --> 00:01:26,100 Ferguson from the Doug Anthony all-stars 26 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:28,260 to kick off the show with Maine up this 27 00:01:31,820 --> 00:01:30,450 week following that it's a week in 28 00:01:33,830 --> 00:01:31,830 science from our friends at the Royal 29 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:33,840 Institution of Australia see you soon 30 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:36,510 guys see you soon when I'm touring out 31 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:38,610 with James Randi coming up in December 32 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:40,710 and then the news of the passing of 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:44,130 Simon Turnbull now many of you may not 34 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:46,650 have heard of Simon Turnbull he was the 35 00:01:52,010 --> 00:01:48,690 longtime president of the Australian 36 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:52,020 psychics Association and he also claimed 37 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:55,200 to be psychic to boot although I 38 00:02:00,620 --> 00:01:57,330 certainly did offer him many many many 39 00:02:03,980 --> 00:02:00,630 chances to claim the $100,000 prize from 40 00:02:06,140 --> 00:02:03,990 Australian skeptics he never did in he 41 00:02:08,990 --> 00:02:06,150 always didn't want to do that but there 42 00:02:13,150 --> 00:02:09,000 you go but Simon tumble died a few days 43 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:13,160 ago and he and i would meet occasionally 44 00:02:18,980 --> 00:02:15,810 mind/body wallet festivals and sometimes 45 00:02:19,770 --> 00:02:18,990 on TV so i'll be playing a couple of TV 46 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:19,780 clips 47 00:02:26,309 --> 00:02:23,770 of Simon Turnbull one with me and one 48 00:02:29,370 --> 00:02:26,319 with Barry Williams the former editor of 49 00:02:31,290 --> 00:02:29,380 the skeptic dating back some years yes 50 00:02:34,050 --> 00:02:31,300 Simon Turnbull the president longtime 51 00:02:36,750 --> 00:02:34,060 president of the same psychics passed 52 00:02:38,910 --> 00:02:36,760 away last week and then the round off 53 00:02:41,970 --> 00:02:38,920 the show it's more Maynard may not 54 00:02:44,090 --> 00:02:41,980 spooky action part 2 may not add 55 00:02:46,559 --> 00:02:44,100 skeptics in the pub asking people about 56 00:02:49,020 --> 00:02:46,569 who they think should win this year's 57 00:02:51,900 --> 00:02:49,030 bent spoon award from Australian 58 00:02:56,550 --> 00:02:51,910 skeptics now a late runner Oh a late 59 00:02:59,280 --> 00:02:56,560 late at the gate a late chance here just 60 00:03:03,690 --> 00:02:59,290 nominated Fran Sheffield from homeopathy 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:03,700 Plus who has been promoting a petition 62 00:03:11,699 --> 00:03:07,450 to the World Health Organization are to 63 00:03:17,190 --> 00:03:11,709 get homeopathic medicine that's an 64 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:17,200 oxymoron homeopathic magic to Africa to 65 00:03:22,290 --> 00:03:19,810 fight Ebola I'm not kidding we don't 66 00:03:25,289 --> 00:03:22,300 make this stuff up folks we do not make 67 00:03:29,130 --> 00:03:25,299 this stuff up we don't have to we we 68 00:03:32,340 --> 00:03:29,140 couldn't it's so wacky and crazy yes he 69 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:32,350 is effectively wanting placebos to fight 70 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:35,410 Ebola she's a late contender for the 71 00:03:41,009 --> 00:03:37,510 bent spoon award if you go to skeptics 72 00:03:43,979 --> 00:03:41,019 calmed are you go to the features button 73 00:03:46,259 --> 00:03:43,989 you can see the other runners up all the 74 00:03:47,759 --> 00:03:46,269 other contenders i should say for the 75 00:03:50,220 --> 00:03:47,769 bent spoon award we don't know who's 76 00:03:51,449 --> 00:03:50,230 going to win just yet i think Fran 77 00:03:53,310 --> 00:03:51,459 Sheffield's in with a good chance 78 00:03:56,910 --> 00:03:53,320 although she did win it a couple of 79 00:03:59,250 --> 00:03:56,920 years back she can she win it twice or 80 00:04:02,180 --> 00:03:59,260 will it be the guy who's coming up to 81 00:04:05,729 --> 00:04:02,190 head the CSIRO promoting water divining 82 00:04:07,860 --> 00:04:05,739 nor any number of people and a big shout 83 00:04:10,020 --> 00:04:07,870 out to Joe alabaster who is taking a 84 00:04:14,460 --> 00:04:10,030 rest this week from skeptic the zone 85 00:04:16,110 --> 00:04:14,470 duties and good on her wow she's uh she 86 00:04:17,930 --> 00:04:16,120 comes up with some really great report 87 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:17,940 so we look forward to her next report 88 00:04:22,950 --> 00:04:21,250 next week I hope Joe and you can meet of 89 00:04:25,890 --> 00:04:22,960 course you can meet Joe alabaster and 90 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:25,900 Maynard and dr. AG and Iran sir give and 91 00:04:32,159 --> 00:04:28,810 myself at the Australian skeptics 92 00:04:33,870 --> 00:04:32,169 national convention coming up oh oh well 93 00:04:36,180 --> 00:04:33,880 soon only in a few weeks 94 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:36,190 that's exciting for more information go 95 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:39,400 to convention skeptics calm today you or 96 00:04:44,370 --> 00:04:41,710 skeptics comdata you and click the links 97 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:44,380 get your tickets you'll be able to see 98 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:46,090 the skeptics guide to the universe gang 99 00:04:51,090 --> 00:04:48,970 George Rob Dick Smith dr. Carl crews on 100 00:04:53,460 --> 00:04:51,100 this key Sonya Pemberton the list goes 101 00:04:56,370 --> 00:04:53,470 on and on the Australian skeptics 102 00:04:58,410 --> 00:04:56,380 National Convention almost upon us now's 103 00:05:00,690 --> 00:04:58,420 the time to get those late tickets but 104 00:05:02,220 --> 00:05:00,700 now it's time for me to run over to the 105 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:02,230 kitchen because i'm actually downstairs 106 00:05:07,890 --> 00:05:05,530 already i'm downstairs already recording 107 00:05:12,530 --> 00:05:07,900 this episode of the the skeptic zone and 108 00:05:14,940 --> 00:05:12,540 I'm looking and looking over past the 109 00:05:20,310 --> 00:05:14,950 living area into the kitchen what do I 110 00:05:24,180 --> 00:05:20,320 see some crusty wholemeal bread which 111 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:24,190 will make excellent Vegemite toast hmm 112 00:05:41,940 --> 00:05:27,130 well I do that I hope you enjoy the 113 00:05:50,540 --> 00:05:46,600 years may not spooky action at a 114 00:05:54,780 --> 00:05:53,010 welcome to Maine and spooky action at a 115 00:05:56,220 --> 00:05:54,790 distance also known as quantum 116 00:05:58,050 --> 00:05:56,230 entanglement and a man who has been 117 00:05:59,970 --> 00:05:58,060 quantumly entangled with me many times 118 00:06:01,980 --> 00:05:59,980 during his life is mr. Tim Ferguson of 119 00:06:03,420 --> 00:06:01,990 the dog Anthony all stars of don't leave 120 00:06:05,390 --> 00:06:03,430 home without your toothbrush or where 121 00:06:07,860 --> 00:06:05,400 else would people know you thumped him 122 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:07,870 certainly they would pick me up from 123 00:06:11,940 --> 00:06:09,880 unreal TV they'd pick me up from 124 00:06:15,180 --> 00:06:11,950 articles that i'm now writing for the 125 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:15,190 new daily.com which is a new online 126 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:18,910 newspaper and written some articles for 127 00:06:22,050 --> 00:06:20,290 them and there'll be more to come I 128 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:22,060 enjoy your last article there which is 129 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:24,010 all about not apologizing for comedy 130 00:06:28,950 --> 00:06:26,410 yeah you can't apologize for comedy if 131 00:06:31,110 --> 00:06:28,960 you've made the joke there's no point in 132 00:06:34,470 --> 00:06:31,120 saying oh I'm terribly sorry because you 133 00:06:37,350 --> 00:06:34,480 know one of those two acts is dishonest 134 00:06:39,780 --> 00:06:37,360 I've you didn't meet the joke or your 135 00:06:41,250 --> 00:06:39,790 dishonestly trying to unravel it what 136 00:06:42,990 --> 00:06:41,260 these Tim Ferguson doing you're on a 137 00:06:44,550 --> 00:06:43,000 skeptical podcast you have been a 138 00:06:46,470 --> 00:06:44,560 long-standing skeptic of just about 139 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:46,480 everything having you Jim I've been very 140 00:06:51,030 --> 00:06:49,690 skeptical even even about the skeptics I 141 00:06:53,730 --> 00:06:51,040 think some of them might actually 142 00:06:58,140 --> 00:06:53,740 believe in things like you know social 143 00:07:01,500 --> 00:06:58,150 bonds conventions laws I'm not sure how 144 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:01,510 pure they are Tim being as someone with 145 00:07:06,210 --> 00:07:03,970 ms there's you would be in a position to 146 00:07:08,910 --> 00:07:06,220 be handed material that the rest of us 147 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:08,920 might not see oh I get this crap all the 148 00:07:15,540 --> 00:07:12,850 time people seem to think that because 149 00:07:18,870 --> 00:07:15,550 multiple sclerosis in particular is a 150 00:07:23,450 --> 00:07:18,880 condition that neurologists don't have 151 00:07:25,810 --> 00:07:23,460 answers for then they could only be a 152 00:07:27,860 --> 00:07:25,820 whack job 153 00:07:31,790 --> 00:07:27,870 solution to the problem i've been 154 00:07:34,010 --> 00:07:31,800 offered hook worms worms that I don't 155 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:34,020 know shaped like hooks that if I ingest 156 00:07:40,730 --> 00:07:36,960 them simply by drinking them I will find 157 00:07:44,210 --> 00:07:40,740 that there are miraculous results that 158 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:44,220 will cure multiple sclerosis and where 159 00:07:49,570 --> 00:07:45,690 is any of the proof of this tomb I'll 160 00:07:54,380 --> 00:07:49,580 prove prove Maynard back back step back 161 00:07:57,470 --> 00:07:54,390 from that proof and fact cliff we are 162 00:08:01,070 --> 00:07:57,480 dealing partly with positive thinking 163 00:08:04,820 --> 00:08:01,080 about the hook wounds but also a quite 164 00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:04,830 often receive an email about someone 165 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:07,080 whose name would be smelly Simpson or 166 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:10,890 Melanie sassafras or anything that has m 167 00:08:20,870 --> 00:08:17,490 and s as the as her acronym now they 168 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:20,880 they tell me that this woman has been 169 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:24,930 miraculously cured from what's known as 170 00:08:31,940 --> 00:08:29,370 repeating relapsing ms as in it comes 171 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:31,950 back and it goes away it repeats and 172 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:34,890 relapses so I get told hand on heart 173 00:08:40,910 --> 00:08:37,290 that hookworms have cured this woman for 174 00:08:44,540 --> 00:08:40,920 over a year of something that comes and 175 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:44,550 goes these kind of morons normally I 176 00:08:49,580 --> 00:08:47,010 would be kind of cheery and happy I 177 00:08:52,700 --> 00:08:49,590 would try to laugh them off but these 178 00:08:55,070 --> 00:08:52,710 people are doltish to the point of it 179 00:08:57,740 --> 00:08:55,080 being offensive if only because they're 180 00:09:01,460 --> 00:08:57,750 trying to push their ridiculous notions 181 00:09:03,950 --> 00:09:01,470 upon me i got ms i take drugs that deal 182 00:09:05,900 --> 00:09:03,960 with it maybe they work maybe they don't 183 00:09:09,290 --> 00:09:05,910 but i'm not going to drink a cup full of 184 00:09:11,750 --> 00:09:09,300 worms to try and fit the fix the problem 185 00:09:14,270 --> 00:09:11,760 and if I am I want to see them drink a 186 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:14,280 cup full of worms first would you be the 187 00:09:17,330 --> 00:09:15,210 kind of guy that would take an 188 00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:17,340 experimental pharmaceutical drug as part 189 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:19,680 of a test would you give that a go no no 190 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:22,410 I figure let some other monkey do the 191 00:09:26,870 --> 00:09:25,050 testing they've got the time I just want 192 00:09:29,660 --> 00:09:26,880 you know a neurologist to say well given 193 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:29,670 all the testing this seems to be the 194 00:09:34,670 --> 00:09:31,350 thing that will 195 00:09:37,940 --> 00:09:34,680 a rest your condition which is as good 196 00:09:40,900 --> 00:09:37,950 as the drugs get like it's incurable and 197 00:09:44,420 --> 00:09:40,910 it's it only goes one way which is down 198 00:09:49,490 --> 00:09:44,430 but you know some of the drugs seem to 199 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:49,500 arrest the spiral but the other thing 200 00:09:52,940 --> 00:09:50,910 that drives me nuts is of course 201 00:09:55,190 --> 00:09:52,950 homeopaths I had a homeopath a 202 00:09:57,830 --> 00:09:55,200 professional homeopath which is a 203 00:09:59,570 --> 00:09:57,840 contradiction in terms contact me to say 204 00:10:02,660 --> 00:09:59,580 you know you should try homeopathy for 205 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:02,670 your condition when I expressed some 206 00:10:11,620 --> 00:10:08,070 skepticism this homeopath and let's call 207 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:11,630 them something awful a homeopath 208 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:15,930 responded by saying I wasn't only a 209 00:10:25,190 --> 00:10:20,570 skeptic but that I had a closed mind 210 00:10:28,340 --> 00:10:25,200 this began a tirade from me that went 211 00:10:30,050 --> 00:10:28,350 you know several messages after which I 212 00:10:34,610 --> 00:10:30,060 never heard from the let's call him a 213 00:10:37,550 --> 00:10:34,620 homeopath homeopath ever again I hope he 214 00:10:39,830 --> 00:10:37,560 died in a ditch with a pill of nothing 215 00:10:41,690 --> 00:10:39,840 in his hand what was he going to give 216 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:41,700 you as like cures like what was he going 217 00:10:44,660 --> 00:10:43,170 to give you as a small amount of ms to 218 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:44,670 cure the MS that's what I'd like to know 219 00:10:53,090 --> 00:10:51,450 I think it was something called DDT Tim 220 00:10:54,470 --> 00:10:53,100 and when you're out there watching your 221 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:54,480 science documentaries in that kind of 222 00:10:58,460 --> 00:10:56,850 stuff for the big science fiction fan 223 00:11:00,560 --> 00:10:58,470 are you a science fan you like to watch 224 00:11:03,170 --> 00:11:00,570 your science shows oh yeah i like 225 00:11:06,890 --> 00:11:03,180 watching space ones that recent show 226 00:11:10,460 --> 00:11:06,900 cosmos it was terrific and such a great 227 00:11:13,430 --> 00:11:10,470 way of expressing the history of our 228 00:11:15,230 --> 00:11:13,440 understanding of space I like you know 229 00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:15,240 David Attenborough I'm not so interested 230 00:11:21,430 --> 00:11:18,000 in podcast like the guy who talked about 231 00:11:24,350 --> 00:11:21,440 the nature of ions for an hour and it's 232 00:11:25,990 --> 00:11:24,360 kind of interesting but you can't use it 233 00:11:29,290 --> 00:11:26,000 to pick up girls 234 00:11:31,030 --> 00:11:29,300 probably science fiction what's your 235 00:11:32,470 --> 00:11:31,040 favorite science fiction oh here's our 236 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:32,480 waitress what you're what is your 237 00:11:35,470 --> 00:11:34,610 favorite science fiction Oh actually at 238 00:11:37,780 --> 00:11:35,480 the moment I'm watching battlestar 239 00:11:40,630 --> 00:11:37,790 galactica of my well then the new one 240 00:11:42,190 --> 00:11:40,640 with the sexy ladies yes well it's not 241 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:42,200 obviously the premise about it it's 242 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:43,730 actually pretty well I didn't see the 243 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:46,010 the old one and haven't heard the best 244 00:11:49,210 --> 00:11:47,450 reviews but the new one is pretty 245 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:49,220 interesting comes a lot of ground a lot 246 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:52,130 of moral and ethical stuff but if you 247 00:11:56,700 --> 00:11:53,450 really want to see something that you 248 00:11:59,620 --> 00:11:56,710 won't like try Battlestar Galactica 1980 249 00:12:01,240 --> 00:11:59,630 yes that's the one that I heard yes did 250 00:12:03,820 --> 00:12:01,250 you like it yeah I'm the only one that 251 00:12:06,310 --> 00:12:03,830 liked a design on that the Cylons fight 252 00:12:07,990 --> 00:12:06,320 forest fires and that they do good oh ok 253 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:08,000 and put on the list you know it's 254 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:10,490 probably that you know but yeah i'll 255 00:12:14,860 --> 00:12:12,410 move forward just move it down the list 256 00:12:16,990 --> 00:12:14,870 of it I work Harry I will be you were a 257 00:12:18,580 --> 00:12:17,000 copy hey uh well Battlestar Galactica 258 00:12:21,430 --> 00:12:18,590 one on your list as well two more you 259 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:21,440 are more Star Wars gone I'm a classicist 260 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:23,450 when it comes to battlestar galactica 261 00:12:27,970 --> 00:12:25,730 you know the new series is all very well 262 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:27,980 as just they you know they've just taken 263 00:12:32,079 --> 00:12:30,260 the names we're going to call the ship 264 00:12:34,990 --> 00:12:32,089 this this guy is going to be called 265 00:12:37,510 --> 00:12:35,000 captain Adama but really they don't have 266 00:12:39,940 --> 00:12:37,520 anything in common will cost you a huge 267 00:12:43,930 --> 00:12:39,950 lawn green fan oh of course nobody's 268 00:12:47,020 --> 00:12:43,940 going to replace lon and Janes you know 269 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:47,030 James Olmos I I've met several times is 270 00:12:53,980 --> 00:12:49,970 really nice guy but who can fit the 271 00:12:55,570 --> 00:12:53,990 boots of a man who can sing like this 272 00:12:57,220 --> 00:12:55,580 yet you're certainly right about that 273 00:12:59,260 --> 00:12:57,230 there Tim and do you think there's a 274 00:13:04,990 --> 00:12:59,270 crossover between science fiction fans 275 00:13:09,070 --> 00:13:05,000 and skeptics yeah they seem to be people 276 00:13:13,930 --> 00:13:09,080 who enjoy fantasy that is so ludicrous 277 00:13:17,079 --> 00:13:13,940 it is within the bounds of reason for 278 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:17,089 them normally you don't find Christians 279 00:13:23,410 --> 00:13:19,730 getting into you know science fiction 280 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:23,420 totally obsessively because that would 281 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:25,410 contradict 282 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:28,290 the believing parts of their brain it's 283 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:30,930 an interesting contradiction you find 284 00:13:37,249 --> 00:13:34,290 high IQ people tend to follow Star Trek 285 00:13:41,420 --> 00:13:37,259 and Star Wars and the higher your IQ 286 00:13:43,670 --> 00:13:41,430 goes the less likely you are to ingest 287 00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:43,680 hookworms or believe whatever someone's 288 00:13:46,730 --> 00:13:45,360 trying to tell you you're touring 289 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:46,740 Australia at the moment the dog Anthony 290 00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:48,569 all-stars sort of back from the dead in 291 00:13:50,990 --> 00:13:49,560 more ways than one you've got a 292 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:51,000 replacement Richard in the form of 293 00:13:56,210 --> 00:13:53,490 flacco Paul Livingston that what's it 294 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:56,220 like having me it was a 20-year break 295 00:14:00,139 --> 00:13:57,810 from comedy and then suddenly it back in 296 00:14:04,129 --> 00:14:00,149 front of these audiences again it's been 297 00:14:06,829 --> 00:14:04,139 tremendous fun I always loved working 298 00:14:08,900 --> 00:14:06,839 with paul mcdermott he's the guy's a 299 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:08,910 genius so I just had to stand next to 300 00:14:18,290 --> 00:14:11,850 him and and get the applause that he was 301 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:18,300 grabbing but it's it's now a point where 302 00:14:23,749 --> 00:14:21,120 the three of us Paul Livingston paul 303 00:14:26,119 --> 00:14:23,759 mcdermott and may have between us over a 304 00:14:30,650 --> 00:14:26,129 hundred years of comedy performance 305 00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:30,660 experience which which shows in the 306 00:14:38,749 --> 00:14:34,500 shows they the funniest things we've 307 00:14:40,519 --> 00:14:38,759 ever done you Jamaican comics naturally 308 00:14:42,980 --> 00:14:40,529 have to be skeptics because you've got 309 00:14:46,819 --> 00:14:42,990 to take the piss out of everything there 310 00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:46,829 are Christian comic experiment I've seen 311 00:14:52,380 --> 00:14:49,680 them and they you know they can write a 312 00:14:54,870 --> 00:14:52,390 gag as well as anybody else 313 00:14:57,990 --> 00:14:54,880 so now I would say you can believe you 314 00:14:59,970 --> 00:14:58,000 can be a non-believer the main thing 315 00:15:02,610 --> 00:14:59,980 about comedy is you're trying to set up 316 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:02,620 a surprise that has some kind of truth 317 00:15:08,130 --> 00:15:05,650 that your audience will basically agree 318 00:15:11,460 --> 00:15:08,140 with and you can do this from any 319 00:15:14,100 --> 00:15:11,470 religious standpoint and while it might 320 00:15:16,860 --> 00:15:14,110 not be funny to a non-believer to see a 321 00:15:19,050 --> 00:15:16,870 Christian comic that kind of works the 322 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:19,060 other way as well well thanks for 323 00:15:22,580 --> 00:15:21,250 sharing your views on skepticism do you 324 00:15:25,230 --> 00:15:22,590 think we can ever see you in the future 325 00:15:27,090 --> 00:15:25,240 protesting something you know protesting 326 00:15:30,810 --> 00:15:27,100 homeopathy or something at the front of 327 00:15:32,820 --> 00:15:30,820 a shop or something well i think it was 328 00:15:34,170 --> 00:15:32,830 actually on bunga bunga our podcast 329 00:15:37,470 --> 00:15:34,180 where i came up with the perfect 330 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:37,480 response when somebody does offer me 331 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:40,210 homeopathic treatments is just to say i 332 00:15:44,940 --> 00:15:42,570 did take them and they gave me multiple 333 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:44,950 sclerosis 334 00:15:50,190 --> 00:15:47,410 and that's going to appall anyone well 335 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:50,200 of course and if they say why what no 336 00:15:56,850 --> 00:15:55,210 they didn't i will say prove it I think 337 00:15:58,230 --> 00:15:56,860 thank you Anika so you're playing 338 00:16:00,570 --> 00:15:58,240 Adelaide fairly shortly where can we get 339 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:00,580 your tickets to La oh you know you got a 340 00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:02,710 delayed you stand on a street corner and 341 00:16:09,180 --> 00:16:06,160 try not to get killed by the mixed 342 00:16:11,130 --> 00:16:09,190 passing psychopath I'm sure people be 343 00:16:14,220 --> 00:16:11,140 able to find tickets somewhere I think 344 00:16:15,540 --> 00:16:14,230 the word bass was used thank you Tim 345 00:16:17,490 --> 00:16:15,550 Ferguson of course if you want haven't 346 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:17,500 tuned in to our podcast it's nine shows 347 00:16:21,390 --> 00:16:19,210 old bunga bunga it's got its own 348 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:21,400 Facebook page and and come and be a part 349 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:23,530 of the show big skeptical about our show 350 00:16:39,230 --> 00:16:25,810 yeah yeah don't let us get away with 351 00:16:43,230 --> 00:16:41,579 brisbane skeptics society is proud to 352 00:16:44,699 --> 00:16:43,240 announce that Michael Marshall will be 353 00:16:46,710 --> 00:16:44,709 coming to Brisbane on the purpose of 354 00:16:48,090 --> 00:16:46,720 December I can't wait to speak in 355 00:16:49,650 --> 00:16:48,100 Brisbane I really want to be showing 356 00:16:51,150 --> 00:16:49,660 people take people through some of the 357 00:16:53,189 --> 00:16:51,160 stuff that I've been doing in skepticism 358 00:16:55,170 --> 00:16:53,199 some of the interestings with a weird 359 00:16:57,420 --> 00:16:55,180 story some of the funny stories and some 360 00:16:58,799 --> 00:16:57,430 of the quiet horrible things that you 361 00:17:00,329 --> 00:16:58,809 see when you get out there and you 362 00:17:01,889 --> 00:17:00,339 investigate to get this isn't of you 363 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:01,899 invest get sued assigned to because the 364 00:17:04,770 --> 00:17:03,850 first hand so please come along to 365 00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:04,780 Brisbane I look forward to seeing 366 00:17:09,029 --> 00:17:06,640 everyone there we have a beer afterwards 367 00:17:11,579 --> 00:17:09,039 to come along to toombul shire hall 368 00:17:14,100 --> 00:17:11,589 starting at six o'clock for a talk by 369 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:14,110 micro marshal and drinks afterwards for 370 00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:16,569 more info go to Brisbane skeptics dot 371 00:17:26,250 --> 00:17:23,919 org welcome to a week in science from 372 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:26,260 our iOS bringing you the science you 373 00:17:31,380 --> 00:17:29,049 need to know seven billion is a lot of 374 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:31,390 anything let alone people but that's 375 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:34,570 what our population hit in 2011 so how 376 00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:36,970 do we compared to other species and what 377 00:17:45,539 --> 00:17:43,499 let's begin by putting these sorts of 378 00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:45,549 numbers into perspective how do humans 379 00:17:50,580 --> 00:17:47,679 rank against other populations in the 380 00:17:53,129 --> 00:17:50,590 world by far and away the most popular 381 00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:53,139 species are bacteria there are around 382 00:17:58,470 --> 00:17:55,840 four quadrillion quadrillion of them and 383 00:18:01,080 --> 00:17:58,480 this easily out numbers all other animal 384 00:18:03,509 --> 00:18:01,090 populations combined moving on to larger 385 00:18:05,730 --> 00:18:03,519 beings there's an estimated 10 billion 386 00:18:08,369 --> 00:18:05,740 billion ants in the world weighing 387 00:18:11,070 --> 00:18:08,379 almost 10 times that of humans who 388 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:11,080 counted them I have no idea and who 389 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:12,250 would have thought there are more than 390 00:18:18,869 --> 00:18:14,470 20 billion domestic chickens bred for 391 00:18:21,149 --> 00:18:18,879 meat and eggs it's hardly surprising but 392 00:18:22,889 --> 00:18:21,159 it is interesting that the top 10 mammal 393 00:18:25,470 --> 00:18:22,899 populations are humans and our 394 00:18:27,149 --> 00:18:25,480 domesticated friends farming livestock 395 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:27,159 has seen populations of cattle and sheep 396 00:18:33,060 --> 00:18:30,490 sauce over 1 billion each and pets like 397 00:18:34,889 --> 00:18:33,070 cats and dogs are around 500 million 398 00:18:38,220 --> 00:18:34,899 each thanks to living closely with 399 00:18:40,350 --> 00:18:38,230 humans but who is number one well it's 400 00:18:42,539 --> 00:18:40,360 hard to work out evidence suggests 401 00:18:44,639 --> 00:18:42,549 though that humans may only be third on 402 00:18:46,830 --> 00:18:44,649 the list following mice and rats which 403 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:46,840 are not strictly domesticated but do 404 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:49,210 like to hang around humans by comparison 405 00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:51,610 most wild mammal populations are falling 406 00:18:55,919 --> 00:18:53,710 rapidly due to humans moving in on their 407 00:18:59,930 --> 00:18:55,929 habitats there are just five hundred 408 00:19:03,539 --> 00:18:59,940 thousand elephants 200,000 chimpanzees 409 00:19:06,269 --> 00:19:03,549 120,000 big cats and 20,000 polar bears 410 00:19:09,149 --> 00:19:06,279 left and yes we're directly responsible 411 00:19:11,340 --> 00:19:09,159 and now for fast facts about global 412 00:19:17,140 --> 00:19:11,350 population 413 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:17,150 world with 1.35 billion people closely 414 00:19:22,090 --> 00:19:19,610 followed by india at 1.2 1,000,000,000 415 00:19:24,220 --> 00:19:22,100 together their home to thirty-seven 416 00:19:26,050 --> 00:19:24,230 percent of the world's population the 417 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:26,060 highest population growth rate ever 418 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:28,970 recorded was in 1963 and the lowest 419 00:19:35,830 --> 00:19:33,110 during 2011 it took 123 years to grow 420 00:19:38,620 --> 00:19:35,840 from 1 to 2 billion people but it took 421 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:38,630 just 13 years to grow from six to seven 422 00:19:43,210 --> 00:19:40,970 billion finally the current world 423 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:43,220 population is about seven point one nine 424 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:47,090 billion increasing by 2.3 people every 425 00:19:55,150 --> 00:19:49,850 second the planet is expected to hit 8 426 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:55,160 billion people in 2024 that's it for 427 00:19:58,630 --> 00:19:56,690 this week in science for more 428 00:20:04,510 --> 00:19:58,640 information on global population go to 429 00:20:07,180 --> 00:20:04,520 the rirs website RI aus org a you follow 430 00:20:09,820 --> 00:20:07,190 us on twitter at our iOS and like us on 431 00:20:18,450 --> 00:20:09,830 Facebook I'm Tony Amaya and we'll catch 432 00:20:25,140 --> 00:20:20,710 if I thought that any of this would be 433 00:20:27,690 --> 00:20:25,150 used I would abandon the film entirely 434 00:20:33,460 --> 00:20:27,700 gentlemen finally amazing right amazing 435 00:20:36,340 --> 00:20:33,470 Randi amazing and a conjurer 436 00:20:38,500 --> 00:20:36,350 prestidigitator I are cheap and fake the 437 00:20:40,570 --> 00:20:38,510 life of Harry Houdini needs very similar 438 00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:40,580 to the life of James Randi if you're 439 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:42,110 going to get your head cut off you go to 440 00:20:47,650 --> 00:20:45,290 the best guy amazing Randi was the best 441 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:47,660 guy Randy you've been going around the 442 00:20:52,150 --> 00:20:49,970 country trying to debunk those who say 443 00:20:54,850 --> 00:20:52,160 that its psychic for I can't think of 444 00:20:57,610 --> 00:20:54,860 that technical term is [\h__\h] what I 445 00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:57,620 do is bending or breaking objects 446 00:21:04,810 --> 00:21:00,320 regular food the pants off them it was 447 00:21:06,550 --> 00:21:04,820 astonishing pinned look can you do this 448 00:21:09,340 --> 00:21:06,560 beam bending trip with Dolly Parton 449 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:09,350 sleep on her back do you know how many 450 00:21:16,390 --> 00:21:14,090 times around we try to ruin my career 451 00:21:19,060 --> 00:21:16,400 you've been taking a lot of medication 452 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:19,070 peter Popoff it's very dangerous man in 453 00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:21,770 the name of Jesus hole just seem to be 454 00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:23,360 able to hear the voice of God and know 455 00:21:29,740 --> 00:21:27,200 all about people John 3784 he wondered 456 00:21:31,990 --> 00:21:29,750 how he got the information I dressed as 457 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:32,000 a security guard I appeared in disguise 458 00:21:41,460 --> 00:21:35,210 yeah brandi is trying to say this is a 459 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:44,230 second baby 460 00:21:51,180 --> 00:21:47,010 easiest way to be bigger than yourself 461 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:54,450 who's terrified man who's devoted his 462 00:22:01,130 --> 00:21:57,490 whole life to uncover real deception has 463 00:22:04,140 --> 00:22:01,140 at the center of his life a deception 464 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:04,150 only one of these people is sworn to 465 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:12,120 no matter how smarter well educated you 466 00:22:25,940 --> 00:22:23,300 an evening with james randi touring 467 00:22:28,130 --> 00:22:25,950 australia this december monday the first 468 00:22:30,860 --> 00:22:28,140 of december in adelaide wednesday the 469 00:22:33,170 --> 00:22:30,870 third of december in perth thursday the 470 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:33,180 fourth our december in brisbane friday 471 00:22:39,380 --> 00:22:36,570 the 5th of december in melon and sunday 472 00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,390 the seventh of December considering 473 00:22:44,350 --> 00:22:41,280 joining Randy will be none other than 474 00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:44,360 Lawrence loom The Skeptical comedian and 475 00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:47,640 myself Richard Saunders the evening 476 00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:50,720 includes a screening of an honest liar 477 00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:54,480 the documentary about James Randi for 478 00:23:03,770 --> 00:22:56,220 more information and to get your tickets 479 00:23:05,900 --> 00:23:03,780 visit WWE you / James Randi and full 480 00:23:17,710 --> 00:23:05,910 disclosure I do have a commercial 481 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:19,690 as mentioned at the top of the show I 482 00:23:24,910 --> 00:23:22,250 was sad to hear of the passing of Simon 483 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:24,920 Turnbull the longtime president of the 484 00:23:30,610 --> 00:23:28,010 Australian psychic Association Simon and 485 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:30,620 I did cross swords quite a bit over the 486 00:23:37,810 --> 00:23:34,250 years I remember one occasion that he 487 00:23:41,500 --> 00:23:37,820 and I were guests for the pilot of a new 488 00:23:43,390 --> 00:23:41,510 chat show and as so often happens them I 489 00:23:46,420 --> 00:23:43,400 don't think the show went anywhere but 490 00:23:48,220 --> 00:23:46,430 we did the pilot and we were there 491 00:23:51,070 --> 00:23:48,230 sitting on some stools and the host was 492 00:23:53,230 --> 00:23:51,080 chatting to us about psychic stuff and 493 00:23:55,210 --> 00:23:53,240 skeptical stuff and we had a UFO guy 494 00:23:58,750 --> 00:23:55,220 there as well and then at one stage 495 00:24:02,320 --> 00:23:58,760 during the flow of the conversation you 496 00:24:05,290 --> 00:24:02,330 regular and spoon bending came up I was 497 00:24:07,330 --> 00:24:05,300 ready so I passed the spoon to the host 498 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:07,340 i passed the spoon to the UFO expert and 499 00:24:11,620 --> 00:24:09,410 i passed a spoon to Simon Turnbull and I 500 00:24:15,330 --> 00:24:11,630 had a spoon and I said if we all 501 00:24:18,010 --> 00:24:15,340 concentrate now and rub the spoons and 502 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:18,020 think psychic thoughts let's see if we 503 00:24:22,450 --> 00:24:20,210 can make the spoon bends and they were 504 00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:22,460 looking at them and looking at me like i 505 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:24,710 was crazy but what i ended up doing was 506 00:24:32,370 --> 00:24:27,410 making the spoon that Simon Turnbull was 507 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:32,380 holding not only bend but Melton break 508 00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:35,590 well that was the appearance anyway 509 00:24:43,270 --> 00:24:40,190 Simon was simply astonished it's a pity 510 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:43,280 I don't have a copier then after the 511 00:24:50,140 --> 00:24:45,530 taping we were backstage to having a 512 00:24:52,180 --> 00:24:50,150 chat and I said to him now Simon I you 513 00:24:55,420 --> 00:24:52,190 know it's a trick don't you and he said 514 00:24:57,540 --> 00:24:55,430 yes but when I saw you regular do it I 515 00:25:00,040 --> 00:24:57,550 was really close to him I was 516 00:25:01,660 --> 00:25:00,050 practically standing next to him and he 517 00:25:04,150 --> 00:25:01,670 did it right in front of me I said Simon 518 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:04,160 I was sitting right next to you during 519 00:25:10,540 --> 00:25:07,490 the taping of this this TV show and I 520 00:25:12,610 --> 00:25:10,550 made your spoon bend and he had to think 521 00:25:16,750 --> 00:25:12,620 about it for a while and then I taught 522 00:25:19,180 --> 00:25:16,760 him I said Simon if anybody in this 523 00:25:20,740 --> 00:25:19,190 country should know how spoon bending 524 00:25:24,340 --> 00:25:20,750 works it's you the president of the 525 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:24,350 serve the psychic Association so you can 526 00:25:30,120 --> 00:25:27,970 spot it so you know when I taught him 527 00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:30,130 and healer 528 00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:34,159 and he said well now I understand how 529 00:25:39,310 --> 00:25:36,529 the trick works but when uri geller did 530 00:25:43,060 --> 00:25:39,320 it it wasn't a trick there's not much 531 00:25:45,130 --> 00:25:43,070 you can say after that folks there's not 532 00:25:47,590 --> 00:25:45,140 much you can say after that I met Simon 533 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:47,600 again a few years later when we were 534 00:25:53,259 --> 00:25:50,570 both working on the one the TV show I 535 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:53,269 was the skeptical judge on Simon was 536 00:25:58,060 --> 00:25:55,250 sort of working backstage behind the 537 00:26:00,399 --> 00:25:58,070 scenes with all the contestants he was 538 00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,409 their wing man I suppose he was the 539 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:02,720 champion in their corner the lead 540 00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:05,690 liaison between the contestants and the 541 00:26:10,299 --> 00:26:07,909 producers well I can say that he never 542 00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:10,309 gave up pushing the psychics until the 543 00:26:16,389 --> 00:26:12,769 day he died which was only a few days 544 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:16,399 ago here's a clip of Simon Turnbull and 545 00:26:21,820 --> 00:26:19,850 I about ten years ago on one of the 546 00:26:24,759 --> 00:26:21,830 morning TV shows here in Australia give 547 00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:24,769 you a bit of a flavor of the banter 548 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:27,529 between us following that it's another 549 00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:31,250 clip from ten years ago about this time 550 00:26:37,690 --> 00:26:33,679 ten years ago leading up to Christmas 551 00:26:40,990 --> 00:26:37,700 and as TV shows and radio shows often do 552 00:26:42,399 --> 00:26:41,000 they call in the psychics and say what 553 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:42,409 do you see for the year ahead you'll 554 00:26:49,090 --> 00:26:44,210 hear some of Simon's predictions for the 555 00:26:51,250 --> 00:26:49,100 Year 2005 2005 and the other voice 556 00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:51,260 you'll hear is none other than Barry 557 00:26:57,340 --> 00:26:55,039 Williams who at the time was the editor 558 00:27:00,700 --> 00:26:57,350 of the skeptic magazine and the chief 559 00:27:02,649 --> 00:27:00,710 executive officer Barry and Simon also 560 00:27:05,649 --> 00:27:02,659 cross swords many times over the years 561 00:27:08,590 --> 00:27:05,659 so let's sir first have a listen to 562 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:08,600 Simon and I on morning TV following that 563 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:11,210 it's Simon's predictions for the year 564 00:27:23,230 --> 00:27:21,130 welcome back to weekend sunrise twenty 565 00:27:25,090 --> 00:27:23,240 past eight now if you're like one of our 566 00:27:27,100 --> 00:27:25,100 next guests you'll say you predicted 567 00:27:29,740 --> 00:27:27,110 this segment was coming we're talking 568 00:27:32,290 --> 00:27:29,750 about the resurgence of psychics the 569 00:27:35,140 --> 00:27:32,300 power of figures like overseas sensation 570 00:27:37,510 --> 00:27:35,150 john edward has renewed interest in the 571 00:27:39,220 --> 00:27:37,520 medium but while believers turn to 572 00:27:43,030 --> 00:27:39,230 fortune tellers for guidance and support 573 00:27:45,190 --> 00:27:43,040 others remain skeptical so is it a 574 00:27:47,410 --> 00:27:45,200 worthy service or just a load of rubbish 575 00:27:49,330 --> 00:27:47,420 well this morning we have both faces 576 00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:49,340 covered Simon Turnbull is the president 577 00:27:53,740 --> 00:27:51,230 of the Australian psychics Association 578 00:27:55,690 --> 00:27:53,750 and himself a clairvoyant and Richard 579 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:55,700 Saunders is with the Australian skeptics 580 00:28:00,130 --> 00:27:57,410 good morning to you both morning morning 581 00:28:02,860 --> 00:28:00,140 so me if I can start with you why is 582 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:02,870 this whole phenomenon of psychic reading 583 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:05,450 enjoying such a resurgence well the 584 00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:08,090 truth is it's a it's really a 25-year 585 00:28:12,430 --> 00:28:10,220 cycle if you're going I can't raise we 586 00:28:14,890 --> 00:28:12,440 can trace it back to the 18 mid 1800s 587 00:28:18,220 --> 00:28:14,900 when the spiritualism became very 588 00:28:19,330 --> 00:28:18,230 popular people but it goes back 589 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:19,340 thousands of years people who always 590 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:21,650 trusted their intuition and the voice 591 00:28:24,580 --> 00:28:23,330 trusted certain people who whose 592 00:28:26,890 --> 00:28:24,590 intuition perhaps as a bit more 593 00:28:28,690 --> 00:28:26,900 developed than the average person so 594 00:28:32,110 --> 00:28:28,700 they go to that person for an intuitive 595 00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:32,120 appraisal of course psychics not God you 596 00:28:37,150 --> 00:28:33,350 know and they don't claim to be not 597 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:37,160 professional psychics anyway but you 598 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:38,450 know there are other abilities such as 599 00:28:42,700 --> 00:28:41,330 being able to predict the future and we 600 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:42,710 have a lot of testimonials we brought 601 00:28:48,580 --> 00:28:45,290 some along just to show you that we get 602 00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:48,590 our members to actually write down what 603 00:28:51,790 --> 00:28:50,630 came true the previous time they went to 604 00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:51,800 a psychic but these are people who 605 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:53,480 already believe now these are people who 606 00:28:58,360 --> 00:28:55,490 have paid good money for a reading all 607 00:29:01,720 --> 00:28:58,370 right and money talks and the rest walks 608 00:29:03,970 --> 00:29:01,730 as you know so so there's also some what 609 00:29:06,130 --> 00:29:03,980 do you claim to be able to do what are 610 00:29:10,030 --> 00:29:06,140 your psychic ability well I don't I 611 00:29:13,210 --> 00:29:10,040 don't claim well I'm telepathic that's 612 00:29:16,660 --> 00:29:13,220 one of my abilities precognition is is 613 00:29:19,450 --> 00:29:16,670 one of the ones I work with every day we 614 00:29:23,140 --> 00:29:19,460 do if we do something called remote 615 00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:23,150 viewing which is looking looking at 616 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:25,550 situations beyond our five senses what 617 00:29:29,650 --> 00:29:28,130 we see here taste touch and smell too in 618 00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:29,660 real time in other words doing it when 619 00:29:33,639 --> 00:29:31,700 at the moment in the real time 620 00:29:36,250 --> 00:29:33,649 is a lot easier than doing it into the 621 00:29:37,269 --> 00:29:36,260 future because it seems to dilute when 622 00:29:39,070 --> 00:29:37,279 you start to look in the future it's a 623 00:29:40,180 --> 00:29:39,080 very difficult thing to do I can't help 624 00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:40,190 but notice Richard is moving 625 00:29:43,659 --> 00:29:42,320 uncomfortably music chef answers turn 626 00:29:45,460 --> 00:29:43,669 little skeptical of it yeah you're a 627 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:45,470 non-believer but but do you believe 628 00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:46,850 Richard that there is a chance that 629 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:48,169 there's such a thing as a psychic 630 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:50,690 absolutely you do of course well I 631 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:53,330 believe there is a chance i mean as I 632 00:29:56,950 --> 00:29:55,370 could tell people I don't run the 633 00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,960 universe I don't know how it works 634 00:30:00,360 --> 00:29:59,120 sciences finding out new things every 635 00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:00,370 day about the workings of the universe 636 00:30:04,210 --> 00:30:02,720 maybe there are psychics it's at this 637 00:30:06,460 --> 00:30:04,220 point you've never witnessed one 638 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:06,470 personally no I haven't been convinced 639 00:30:10,269 --> 00:30:08,090 yet because I haven't seen enough 640 00:30:12,340 --> 00:30:10,279 evidence to convince me that doesn't 641 00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:12,350 mean the evidence won't be presented to 642 00:30:18,220 --> 00:30:15,529 me tomorrow and then I'll be convinced 643 00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:18,230 great I'm all for it I mean I want to 644 00:30:21,399 --> 00:30:19,700 live in a world where psychics help 645 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:21,409 police solve crimes I want to live in 646 00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:22,490 the world that already we see that 647 00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,169 happening and police forces around the 648 00:30:28,210 --> 00:30:26,000 world okay if you can if you can give me 649 00:30:29,289 --> 00:30:28,220 a couple of examples and talk to the 650 00:30:31,060 --> 00:30:29,299 police department I'd be very interested 651 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:31,070 to hear it well most of the web we've 652 00:30:35,889 --> 00:30:32,690 got its to just go on the web and just 653 00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:35,899 type in a lot of the US I recommend 654 00:30:39,220 --> 00:30:37,100 people go to the web and type in 655 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:39,230 psychics helping police and they'll find 656 00:30:42,610 --> 00:30:41,090 all the times that the police say hang 657 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:42,620 on a second she didn't come and help us 658 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:44,330 what's she talking about that's not true 659 00:30:48,669 --> 00:30:46,370 now that you may find those stories but 660 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:48,679 the fact is that there is evidence of 661 00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:51,289 Police Department's being having very 662 00:30:53,950 --> 00:30:52,460 happy with the results they getting from 663 00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:53,960 side I'd loved I'd love to see it but 664 00:30:58,330 --> 00:30:55,820 will disagree on that at the moment but 665 00:31:00,430 --> 00:30:58,340 where Simon and I agree totally is that 666 00:31:02,980 --> 00:31:00,440 we both know unfortunately there are 667 00:31:04,299 --> 00:31:02,990 sharks in the psychic industry now I 668 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:04,309 don't know if they're everyone's or not 669 00:31:07,570 --> 00:31:05,690 I'm not saying that but I'm saying that 670 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:07,580 we both know that there are there are 671 00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:10,970 shops and they do cold reading they do 672 00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:12,409 cold reading and I'll give you a quick 673 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:14,630 example this is where you appear to be 674 00:31:17,620 --> 00:31:16,130 psychic now this isn't a psychic reading 675 00:31:19,930 --> 00:31:17,630 but this is what the Sharks get up to 676 00:31:22,029 --> 00:31:19,940 this is some cold reading using 677 00:31:24,340 --> 00:31:22,039 something called jargon glitz and the 678 00:31:25,990 --> 00:31:24,350 vanishing negative all right just 679 00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:26,000 imagine that I've got some tarot cards 680 00:31:30,639 --> 00:31:28,220 in front of me and I'm telling you well 681 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:30,649 gee I see you've got the five of swords 682 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:32,570 here hmm miss appears in the spread of 683 00:31:37,629 --> 00:31:34,850 the third conjunction of this triad in a 684 00:31:39,730 --> 00:31:37,639 3 cycle jargon blitz I'm just using all 685 00:31:41,049 --> 00:31:39,740 the flowery words that's fine but when 686 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:41,059 you look at somebody like John Edward 687 00:31:44,540 --> 00:31:43,010 who has that very very successful show 688 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:44,550 he's too at Australia a couple of 689 00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:46,530 x he doesn't speak like that he speaks 690 00:31:50,660 --> 00:31:49,020 real languages and you do see penny well 691 00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:50,670 that's right we really do feel like 692 00:31:54,770 --> 00:31:52,440 their lives of venture don't advise has 693 00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:54,780 a television show which has a disclaimer 694 00:31:58,790 --> 00:31:56,580 at the end saying this show is for 695 00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:58,800 entertainment purposes right but that's 696 00:32:03,290 --> 00:32:00,840 we do that here in Australia Simon as he 697 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:03,300 was using into people's our grief for 80 698 00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,850 he not that's that's your twist honor no 699 00:32:09,860 --> 00:32:07,500 no it's dangerous flying and be able to 700 00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:09,870 talk to people's dead relatives doesn't 701 00:32:14,090 --> 00:32:12,150 and I don't even if he does it yes I'm 702 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:14,100 the mark a little no why should it be if 703 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:15,810 you prefer not to believe that that's 704 00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,730 true it maybe it's over the mark for you 705 00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:19,440 good deed for a lot of people who are 706 00:32:24,500 --> 00:32:22,500 getting value from those sessions 707 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:24,510 because they're getting evidence about 708 00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:27,330 their relatives who are these know there 709 00:32:30,020 --> 00:32:28,620 aren't getting evidence right now it may 710 00:32:31,670 --> 00:32:30,030 not be able to value out of it they 711 00:32:33,140 --> 00:32:31,680 believe it whether it's true or not is 712 00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:33,150 getting some sort of emotional support 713 00:32:37,310 --> 00:32:35,400 that's the truth there do i buy a Rolex 714 00:32:40,220 --> 00:32:37,320 watch and I pay two thousand dollars for 715 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:40,230 it and I'm sold a fake I got ripped off 716 00:32:43,490 --> 00:32:41,970 and if people are going to see a psychic 717 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:43,500 and all they're getting is cold reading 718 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:45,210 even though they're happy and they think 719 00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,250 oh gee I got a psychic reading they're 720 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:49,200 getting ripped off that's right i 721 00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:50,850 brought this were richard it's a it's 722 00:32:54,740 --> 00:32:52,500 our directory which actually has 723 00:32:56,510 --> 00:32:54,750 legitimate psychics in it oh it's very 724 00:32:58,220 --> 00:32:56,520 like strictly had a small spheres 725 00:33:01,550 --> 00:32:58,230 magazine which has another group of 726 00:33:05,090 --> 00:33:01,560 people and these are really good you've 727 00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:05,100 got your plugs in you sign up thank you 728 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:07,830 apart from signing up for being part of 729 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:09,450 that i don't quite know that we've saw 730 00:33:13,970 --> 00:33:10,770 how you know the difference between a 731 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:13,980 genuine psychic and a shoulder but we 732 00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:16,170 may have to be said someday we'd like to 733 00:33:20,030 --> 00:33:18,420 hear from you can contact us as usually 734 00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:20,040 as the addresses there on the bottom of 735 00:33:23,060 --> 00:33:21,270 the screen we'd love to hear perhaps 736 00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:23,070 your psychic experience or you're 737 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:24,990 skeptical experience gentlemen thank you 738 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,610 so much for joining us this morning has 739 00:33:36,369 --> 00:33:28,320 been an interesting day that's they 740 00:33:41,419 --> 00:33:39,469 if you could be told one thing that will 741 00:33:43,249 --> 00:33:41,429 definitely happen next year what would 742 00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:43,259 it be maybe it would involve 743 00:33:48,619 --> 00:33:45,960 relationships possibly finance or even 744 00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:48,629 career well if anyone can predict your 745 00:33:55,170 --> 00:33:50,369 future it's the people you're about to 746 00:34:00,000 --> 00:33:57,120 did you predict Simon that you were 747 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:00,010 going to be the psychic of the year well 748 00:34:05,940 --> 00:34:02,770 that no it didn't resident you have I 749 00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:05,950 should have done so even slightly 750 00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:08,230 surprised to see that the organization 751 00:34:14,250 --> 00:34:11,790 run by Simon Turnbull put out a magazine 752 00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:14,260 from Simon Turnbull in which Simon 753 00:34:19,650 --> 00:34:16,470 Turnbull was named a psychic of the year 754 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:19,660 if you'd studied the planet shuffled 755 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:22,090 your tarot cards or glared at a crystal 756 00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:24,490 ball recently you'd know that Simon 757 00:34:29,580 --> 00:34:26,680 Turnbull president of the Australian 758 00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:29,590 psychics Association had scooped the 759 00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:32,500 cosmos as psychic of the year I mean how 760 00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:35,620 accurate would you say you are well I 761 00:34:39,330 --> 00:34:37,630 can't put a percentage on it I can only 762 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:39,340 a test I can only look at the hundreds 763 00:34:45,900 --> 00:34:41,770 and hundreds of testimony letters I have 764 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:45,910 my office well you can't go wrong if you 765 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:47,170 tell people what they want to hear I 766 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:49,690 mean that's essentially la work chief of 767 00:34:55,380 --> 00:34:52,410 the Australian skeptics Barry Williams 768 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:55,390 insists the psychic psychobabble is 769 00:34:59,520 --> 00:34:58,210 nothing more than amateur psychology you 770 00:35:00,660 --> 00:34:59,530 go to a psychic and you pay them some 771 00:35:02,430 --> 00:35:00,670 money and they listen to your complaints 772 00:35:05,460 --> 00:35:02,440 you feel good and that's probably not 773 00:35:07,260 --> 00:35:05,470 doing a lot of harm from the age of five 774 00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:07,270 my grandfather taught me to read tea 775 00:35:12,930 --> 00:35:09,700 leaves we thought we'd put the top 776 00:35:15,210 --> 00:35:12,940 psychics to the test inviting Jacqueline 777 00:35:17,820 --> 00:35:15,220 close more the recently anointed 778 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:17,830 Victorian psychic of the year to join 779 00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:20,290 silent Turnbull in channeling their 780 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:26,260 predictions for 2014 full measure 781 00:35:35,070 --> 00:35:33,480 we're going to see terrorism start to a 782 00:35:36,270 --> 00:35:35,080 date and a lot of the people that have 783 00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:36,280 been responsible will start to be 784 00:35:42,329 --> 00:35:39,609 corralled and kort court I feel that 785 00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:42,339 George Bush and his daddy will they put 786 00:35:47,070 --> 00:35:45,310 a lot out and it's coming on back so I 787 00:35:49,050 --> 00:35:47,080 feel that relations for them will be 788 00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,060 very difficult politically are we going 789 00:35:53,790 --> 00:35:51,280 to see say John Howard step down and 790 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:53,800 Peter Costello step up well if Peter 791 00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:55,570 Costello steps up it'll be a short step 792 00:36:01,470 --> 00:35:58,930 long term Simon favors Malcolm Turnbull 793 00:36:04,020 --> 00:36:01,480 as the next Liberal leader sees Hillary 794 00:36:06,930 --> 00:36:04,030 Clinton one step closer to the Democrat 795 00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:06,940 hierarchy and Nicole Kidman itching 796 00:36:11,849 --> 00:36:09,070 herself to billionaires Steve Bing 797 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:11,859 that's if Tom Cruise doesn't get there 798 00:36:17,609 --> 00:36:15,490 first I feel that he's trying still to 799 00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:17,619 get back with Nicole and that may 800 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:20,200 continue for some time both psychics 801 00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:22,210 foretell the end of the drought with 802 00:36:27,870 --> 00:36:25,599 flooding rains tragedy will strike 803 00:36:30,540 --> 00:36:27,880 Buckingham Palace with a death in the 804 00:36:32,339 --> 00:36:30,550 royal family Barry's hardly surprised 805 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:32,349 acquaint getting on the Duke of 806 00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:34,210 Edinburgh getting on they've got cousins 807 00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:35,980 and things all of whom are subsumed into 808 00:36:40,270 --> 00:36:37,839 a great royal families I want to 809 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:40,280 probably not 810 00:36:46,330 --> 00:36:43,130 first past the post for the big one at 811 00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:46,340 flemington next year Simon Says well SH 812 00:36:51,970 --> 00:36:48,590 is in the name so it will the shift 813 00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:51,980 sound that a jockey would know for the 814 00:36:56,830 --> 00:36:54,680 horse jockey or trainer as for Simon's 815 00:36:58,990 --> 00:36:56,840 and berries predictions for each other 816 00:37:02,080 --> 00:36:59,000 I'll say that Barry's beard will get 817 00:37:04,330 --> 00:37:02,090 longer in whiter I imagine their their 818 00:37:05,710 --> 00:37:04,340 prices will go up Simon thanks for the 819 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:05,720 predictors you've given us but I feel as 820 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:06,890 though you're holding back on us that 821 00:37:11,140 --> 00:37:08,570 there's one in there that you actually 822 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:11,150 want to share with this come on just 823 00:37:17,350 --> 00:37:14,330 draw it out well let me see it's related 824 00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,360 to health like such as cancer so we're 825 00:37:20,110 --> 00:37:18,800 getting them getting right through with 826 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:20,120 carrots to break through with cancer 827 00:37:25,090 --> 00:37:22,490 related to to research that's Australian 828 00:37:27,060 --> 00:37:25,100 scientists are doing okay that's as 829 00:37:33,010 --> 00:37:27,070 close as I can get without making it up 830 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:33,020 hahaha oh ho ho so interesting 831 00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:34,810 predictions there Chris Newman reporting 832 00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:39,920 this Christmas and for the record the 833 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:43,250 2005 Melbourne Cup great horse race was 834 00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:46,730 won by horse called makybe diva trained 835 00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:49,660 by Lee Friedman and ridden by Glenn boss 836 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:51,980 it won't be quite the same out there now 837 00:37:58,390 --> 00:37:54,650 without Simon Turnbull we saw each other 838 00:38:00,760 --> 00:37:58,400 occasionally but psychic fairs and here 839 00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:00,770 and there we were never really bitter 840 00:38:05,650 --> 00:38:02,510 towards each other but we certainly had 841 00:38:07,930 --> 00:38:05,660 our differences I'll miss you Simon in a 842 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:07,940 strange sort of way and of course my 843 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:10,490 deepest condolences to your family and 844 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:24,839 hey guys Jay novela here simple question 845 00:38:30,339 --> 00:38:28,490 where will you be this November because 846 00:38:32,109 --> 00:38:30,349 I know I'm going to be at the Australian 847 00:38:33,700 --> 00:38:32,119 skeptics national convention in Sydney 848 00:38:35,049 --> 00:38:33,710 and so will all the rest of us from the 849 00:38:38,170 --> 00:38:35,059 skeptics guide to the universe including 850 00:38:40,359 --> 00:38:38,180 George Rob and Dick Smith and dr. Karl 851 00:38:43,329 --> 00:38:40,369 and dr. r AG and lots of other awesome 852 00:38:45,460 --> 00:38:43,339 people why aren't you going did you not 853 00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:45,470 sign up yet get on there and sign up 854 00:38:49,059 --> 00:38:47,089 this is going to be some epic stuff here 855 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:49,069 you don't want to miss it go to skeptics 856 00:39:06,329 --> 00:38:57,410 com au forward slash convention is my 857 00:39:11,410 --> 00:39:08,890 well here we are at Sydney's skeptics in 858 00:39:14,170 --> 00:39:11,420 the pub a lot of people rushing pushing 859 00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:14,180 pushing and shoving putting Thai food 860 00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:16,160 into their mouths putting drink into the 861 00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:17,599 mouths putting beer into their mouths 862 00:39:22,810 --> 00:39:20,630 and over in the corner a very intense 863 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:22,820 conversation going on with Jessica I'd 864 00:39:28,359 --> 00:39:27,170 like a hell I up so Richard Saunders how 865 00:39:31,510 --> 00:39:28,369 would you describe the role up here 866 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:31,520 tonight at skeptics in the pub it's to 867 00:39:36,609 --> 00:39:33,410 quote a TV show packed to the rafters 868 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:36,619 may not about a hundred people around 869 00:39:41,050 --> 00:39:39,410 that area yeah and every seats taken I 870 00:39:43,300 --> 00:39:41,060 noticed they're going to be starting to 871 00:39:46,180 --> 00:39:43,310 stand up soon to watch our talk tonight 872 00:39:47,470 --> 00:39:46,190 on feathered dinosaurs John Patrol he's 873 00:39:50,109 --> 00:39:47,480 going to be talking about a feathered 874 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:50,119 dinosaurs cool so he's watched Jurassic 875 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:53,930 Park more than three times five five 876 00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,650 times hang on what's that smell I can 877 00:40:03,069 --> 00:39:59,839 smell a lawyer it's jessica how I oh 878 00:40:05,230 --> 00:40:03,079 dear I didn't know lawyers smelt oh no 879 00:40:07,210 --> 00:40:05,240 no no well they they have that smell of 880 00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:07,220 victory or disdain it depends on what 881 00:40:12,010 --> 00:40:10,250 side you are arrogance arrogance yes and 882 00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:12,020 how things been in your skeptical well 883 00:40:15,220 --> 00:40:13,849 in my skeptical world something only 884 00:40:16,809 --> 00:40:15,230 pissed you off have you opened the paper 885 00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:16,819 and a narc come on that's not gonna fly 886 00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:26,349 really I'm ashamed to say not really 887 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:28,220 well that's unusual you've actually you 888 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:31,130 actually a calm skeptic I am I'm very 889 00:40:34,570 --> 00:40:32,930 zen at the moment or I think actually 890 00:40:36,220 --> 00:40:34,580 it's because I'm so busy at work just 891 00:40:38,380 --> 00:40:36,230 you know being a lawyer and being 892 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:38,390 obnoxious to be able I just don't have 893 00:40:44,109 --> 00:40:41,210 time to be to look at the paper or 894 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:44,119 mmm-hmm it's kind of cool being a lawyer 895 00:40:49,870 --> 00:40:45,970 when people ring you you earn money 896 00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:49,880 that's right like let me explain to you 897 00:40:55,330 --> 00:40:51,380 people when you're in a corporate law 898 00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:55,340 and people bring you suddenly the timer 899 00:40:59,980 --> 00:40:57,200 starts and you get paid while you're 900 00:41:00,910 --> 00:40:59,990 talking to them now apart from phone sex 901 00:41:03,609 --> 00:41:00,920 I really can't think of anything else 902 00:41:06,099 --> 00:41:03,619 that does that that's a very good 903 00:41:07,450 --> 00:41:06,109 analogy even doctors don't do it I don't 904 00:41:10,060 --> 00:41:07,460 I don't think even I don't think even 905 00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:10,070 phone sexes is as efficient because you 906 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:12,590 know as a lawyer we have each hour is 907 00:41:19,540 --> 00:41:15,650 divided up into six minute units 10 908 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:19,550 units an hour so yes I who's your 909 00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:21,290 favorite lawyer a lot of people have 910 00:41:25,540 --> 00:41:22,760 people that have inspired them who's the 911 00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:25,550 ones that inspired you I'm a bit of a 912 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:28,750 clown stero fan because Perry Mason 913 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:31,609 Perry Mason Clarence Darrow he was 914 00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:34,130 actually able to bribe a jury's when you 915 00:41:41,070 --> 00:41:37,270 able to do that look I I have to say I 916 00:41:45,060 --> 00:41:41,080 can't say very much at all or dare open 917 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:45,070 Rumple love Rumple Wow and 918 00:41:49,290 --> 00:41:47,890 Rand Paul himself is a bit cheeky and 919 00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:49,300 you know no barrister would ever be that 920 00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:51,190 cheeky in court but what's lovely about 921 00:41:55,530 --> 00:41:53,950 Ron Paul is the the characters of the 922 00:41:58,770 --> 00:41:55,540 other barristers and the characters of 923 00:42:02,760 --> 00:41:58,780 the judges and the obnoxious judges are 924 00:42:05,130 --> 00:42:02,770 actually spot on okay yeah so by the 925 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:05,140 time you become a judge do you tend to 926 00:42:11,790 --> 00:42:07,090 get a bit arrogant does it come with the 927 00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:11,800 territory not necessarily not 928 00:42:14,730 --> 00:42:12,880 necessarily actually some of the 929 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:14,740 loveliest people I've known a judge's 930 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:17,050 really and of course they get caught a 931 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:18,130 virtual question what do you think of 932 00:42:23,490 --> 00:42:20,530 the US Supreme Court they always come 933 00:42:27,390 --> 00:42:23,500 down for three always 43 on every 934 00:42:29,310 --> 00:42:27,400 decision for three on everything then 935 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:29,320 they're very predictable aren't I how 936 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:33,370 boring boring hmm much prefer our system 937 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:37,090 which is a house different because they 938 00:42:40,830 --> 00:42:38,290 have a Supreme Court we have a Supreme 939 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:40,840 Court what's the difference III think 940 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:44,650 I'm without judicial appointments 941 00:42:48,300 --> 00:42:47,050 they'll march there they're less and I 942 00:42:49,860 --> 00:42:48,310 know people would disagree with me on 943 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:49,870 that but our judicial appointments I 944 00:43:01,600 --> 00:42:59,410 and sorry Richard was just taking a 945 00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:01,610 photograph there and I had to quickly 946 00:43:06,970 --> 00:43:04,640 take my glasses off yes and I quickly 947 00:43:10,690 --> 00:43:06,980 had to arrange my face into some 948 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:10,700 semblance of a smile and normality and 949 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:12,290 I've got to say that crossover ballet 950 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:14,090 top you're wearing is fantastic Oh 951 00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:16,370 wonderful I'm glad you like it it's like 952 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:18,260 it just come from some Jazzercise yes 953 00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:20,810 hmm absolutely so we be asking some 954 00:43:24,340 --> 00:43:22,190 difficult questions at the end of it and 955 00:43:26,740 --> 00:43:24,350 going on and what about creation at the 956 00:43:28,690 --> 00:43:26,750 end will you oh goodness no no no don't 957 00:43:37,300 --> 00:43:28,700 subscribe to creationism at all I am 958 00:43:39,730 --> 00:43:37,310 after all a skeptic look I'm actually 959 00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:39,740 I'm here wearing a sort of 1980s I've 960 00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:42,350 got a bit of a haircut 100 looks sir the 961 00:43:45,790 --> 00:43:43,970 question I'm asking people tonight is we 962 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:45,800 have the bent spoon award coming up for 963 00:43:49,930 --> 00:43:47,330 the skeptics is there someone you think 964 00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:49,940 is a stead cert to win the bent spoon 965 00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:52,400 award this year I have to say it's a 966 00:43:58,060 --> 00:43:55,280 contest between merrill dory and fran 967 00:44:00,460 --> 00:43:58,070 sheffield whoo that would be the nanny 968 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:00,470 and then in here not opening the 969 00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:02,210 homeopathy love it every time I hear 970 00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:05,270 that I go the nanny okay up so the funny 971 00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:06,710 voice she's one of the funny voice yeah 972 00:44:12,610 --> 00:44:10,970 hello rich to share for you so so if you 973 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:12,620 had to call it which one would you give 974 00:44:15,580 --> 00:44:14,330 it to I'll look after what i read 975 00:44:17,410 --> 00:44:15,590 recently about the hand me off a deep 976 00:44:20,590 --> 00:44:17,420 place and curing a bowl i think i have 977 00:44:22,330 --> 00:44:20,600 to befriend sheffield okay how do you 978 00:44:25,420 --> 00:44:22,340 feel about the bed spoon who reckons 979 00:44:28,510 --> 00:44:25,430 gonna win at this year those wack jobs 980 00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,520 who are promoting homeopathic 981 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:30,800 vaccinations for Ebola or I think I 982 00:44:34,990 --> 00:44:32,450 don't know who those people are but I 983 00:44:37,060 --> 00:44:35,000 think those people it puzzles me because 984 00:44:40,450 --> 00:44:37,070 like cures like so what would you have 985 00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:40,460 in the homeopathic Ebola probably 986 00:44:45,310 --> 00:44:42,710 Stanford probably stab people to not 987 00:44:47,290 --> 00:44:45,320 actually bash someone to death that's 988 00:44:49,060 --> 00:44:47,300 almost to death until they in turn into 989 00:44:50,500 --> 00:44:49,070 hemorrhaging and that that will be the 990 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:50,510 equivalent of Ebola of the ball or I 991 00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,130 think took a blood 992 00:44:56,590 --> 00:44:54,560 the hemorrhaging badly and that would be 993 00:44:58,510 --> 00:44:56,600 equivalent of Allah because we have a 994 00:44:59,980 --> 00:44:58,520 man who's quiet and dark at the end of 995 00:45:03,580 --> 00:44:59,990 the table here what are you thinking as 996 00:45:05,740 --> 00:45:03,590 far as the bent spoon goes I reckon that 997 00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:05,750 the current government is crop probably 998 00:45:10,030 --> 00:45:08,660 deserving wow it's a wide bow there the 999 00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:10,040 entire government that they're always 1000 00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:12,200 complaining about how how the budgets 1001 00:45:16,330 --> 00:45:14,000 got to be fixed but then they said all 1002 00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:16,340 this money for the chaplains and skills 1003 00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:20,140 and all that other stuff and I'd an hour 1004 00:45:27,220 --> 00:45:23,150 so you may can just bend the spoon give 1005 00:45:31,180 --> 00:45:27,230 it to the government works for me and 1006 00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:31,190 what about you there yeah is it 1007 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:33,920 homeopathy plus or what I have no 1008 00:45:40,030 --> 00:45:37,610 opinion I'm sure the winner will win hmm 1009 00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:40,040 so skipper's amul be a winner on the 1010 00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:46,070 night I've learned as always so let's 1011 00:45:49,420 --> 00:45:47,720 talk about the bent spoon who knew 1012 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:49,430 things going to get the bent spoon this 1013 00:45:56,110 --> 00:45:53,810 year sir well the CSIRO CEO has got a 1014 00:45:58,810 --> 00:45:56,120 got a good good good thing running his 1015 00:46:01,480 --> 00:45:58,820 knee the the whole water divining is not 1016 00:46:04,300 --> 00:46:01,490 really something you'd expect from from 1017 00:46:06,310 --> 00:46:04,310 the Premier's scientific organization of 1018 00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:06,320 Australia is it so have you written a 1019 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:08,210 strongly worded letter so have you I 1020 00:46:14,650 --> 00:46:10,130 know but I'm prayer that some of the 1021 00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,660 skipped around here have well it's 1022 00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:16,880 dinosaurs and basically my knowledge of 1023 00:46:21,970 --> 00:46:19,790 dinosaurs is let's see Jurassic Park the 1024 00:46:24,430 --> 00:46:21,980 Flintstones what did you learn tonight 1025 00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:24,440 about dinosaurs well I've actually heard 1026 00:46:29,019 --> 00:46:27,710 this talk once before but I did learn 1027 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:29,029 that 1028 00:46:33,699 --> 00:46:31,249 dinosaurs actually have feathers which 1029 00:46:36,759 --> 00:46:33,709 is something that we probably didn't 1030 00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:36,769 even think 10 to 15 years ago that is 1031 00:46:41,289 --> 00:46:38,569 the first feathered dinosaur was found 1032 00:46:43,029 --> 00:46:41,299 in 1996 and ever since then we're 1033 00:46:45,549 --> 00:46:43,039 finding more and more that actually not 1034 00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:45,559 lizards they're not scaly they're 1035 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:47,630 actually they were quite fuzzy and quite 1036 00:46:51,609 --> 00:46:50,089 colorful animals and also got a bit of 1037 00:46:54,370 --> 00:46:51,619 an idea how they might have sound as 1038 00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:54,380 well sorry the sound they make there's a 1039 00:46:57,849 --> 00:46:56,089 bigger guess it the way they sounded as 1040 00:46:59,919 --> 00:46:57,859 well yeah we hardly know anything about 1041 00:47:02,919 --> 00:46:59,929 the sound but they're definitely not 1042 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:02,929 roars and because they don't have vocal 1043 00:47:06,849 --> 00:47:04,729 cords just like birds don't have work 1044 00:47:10,479 --> 00:47:06,859 out God's who's what what is your 1045 00:47:12,939 --> 00:47:10,489 favorite dinosaur I know you get cup 1046 00:47:15,789 --> 00:47:12,949 please II asaurus the ones that fly 1047 00:47:21,039 --> 00:47:15,799 pretty cool yeah they're actually not 1048 00:47:23,439 --> 00:47:21,049 dinosaurs um I don't know I quite like 1049 00:47:25,539 --> 00:47:23,449 the Stegosaurus but that's probably 1050 00:47:28,449 --> 00:47:25,549 because it's my father's favorite diner 1051 00:47:29,890 --> 00:47:28,459 sir so I tend to go I guess he just 1052 00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:29,900 pointed them out so off and I think 1053 00:47:33,789 --> 00:47:31,849 they're quite keys sick-ass all right 1054 00:47:36,009 --> 00:47:33,799 they're interesting I mean what kid has 1055 00:47:38,649 --> 00:47:36,019 got excited about seeing dinosaurs on 1056 00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:38,659 the telly I know right when you go to 1057 00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:41,689 the museum in london and there's a 1058 00:47:47,919 --> 00:47:45,049 taurus Tyrannosaurus Rex model that just 1059 00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:47,929 like moves like a robot and like an 1060 00:47:51,219 --> 00:47:49,729 drawers in your face and everything I 1061 00:47:54,669 --> 00:47:51,229 mean when you think about it now it's 1062 00:47:57,370 --> 00:47:54,679 probably quite inaccurate but great 1063 00:47:59,679 --> 00:47:57,380 spectacle oh yeah and huge animals oh 1064 00:48:02,019 --> 00:47:59,689 yeah there were some of the biggest ones 1065 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:02,029 I think John would have better data on 1066 00:48:05,529 --> 00:48:03,650 how big they actually we're but I think 1067 00:48:07,430 --> 00:48:05,539 he mentioned something like 14 meters 1068 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:07,440 high and 20 meters long 1069 00:48:12,050 --> 00:48:09,930 was one of the biggest ones ever that's 1070 00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:12,060 pretty amazing I believe talked about 1071 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:13,710 this thank you you should thank what's 1072 00:48:19,010 --> 00:48:15,690 your name again I'm cigna cane and 1073 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:19,020 you're a member of the inner circle are 1074 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:22,650 you I am I am on the Australian skeptics 1075 00:48:28,609 --> 00:48:25,050 committee I am the newest member i'm 1076 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:28,619 also on the i'm on the convention 1077 00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:30,690 committee and i'm the convener of the 1078 00:48:36,770 --> 00:48:33,630 online committee so i'm all about web 1079 00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,780 and social and communications now for 1080 00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:38,160 those of us that don't know what it's 1081 00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:39,599 like what's it like in the inner circle 1082 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:41,700 there was a tense is there yelling is 1083 00:48:47,540 --> 00:48:43,530 there shouting is there throwing papers 1084 00:48:51,109 --> 00:48:47,550 around oh yes all the time it's so it's 1085 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:51,119 so political and so dramatic you have no 1086 00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:53,130 idea well actually now they're all 1087 00:48:57,980 --> 00:48:55,890 lovely people and we get along well but 1088 00:49:00,020 --> 00:48:57,990 it's very hard to get in so I imagine 1089 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:00,030 you'd be very tense and doing your Kegel 1090 00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,730 exercises because of the exhibition get 1091 00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:04,319 both the big conference coming up 1092 00:49:08,569 --> 00:49:05,970 because you're you know if it goes bung 1093 00:49:10,700 --> 00:49:08,579 people will point it finger at you oh I 1094 00:49:12,740 --> 00:49:10,710 think people will point a finger at Iran 1095 00:49:15,740 --> 00:49:12,750 to gab who is the convener of the 1096 00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:15,750 convention so Oh blank read you suck 1097 00:49:19,819 --> 00:49:18,569 yeah that's what those like yes that's 1098 00:49:21,290 --> 00:49:19,829 what they might say but I'm sure the 1099 00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:21,300 convention is going to be amazing and 1100 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:23,579 you should come oh I'll be there talking 1101 00:49:27,500 --> 00:49:24,810 to people are you actually giving a 1102 00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:27,510 presentation no I'm not I'm just helping 1103 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:29,790 along and making sure everything runs 1104 00:49:35,569 --> 00:49:32,730 smoothly throwing people out hopefully 1105 00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:35,579 not yeah hopefully everybody behaves 1106 00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:37,890 keep an eye on George Arab he can be 1107 00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:40,319 trouble right ok I'll make sure to keep 1108 00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:44,609 an eye on towards going to hate a run 1109 00:49:47,900 --> 00:49:46,800 all right already agree about now I've 1110 00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:47,910 just been talking to people apparently 1111 00:49:51,490 --> 00:49:49,920 if the conference doesn't go well it's 1112 00:49:53,860 --> 00:49:51,500 all your fault 1113 00:49:56,110 --> 00:49:53,870 that's not an option the conference is 1114 00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:56,120 going to be fantastic I'll be blaming it 1115 00:50:01,870 --> 00:49:58,490 on forensic to convention oh okay sorry 1116 00:50:03,970 --> 00:50:01,880 we'll see I don't know so I i live in 1117 00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:03,980 the world where no one invites me to a 1118 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:05,900 convention or a conference so I don't 1119 00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,130 know what the hell unless unless I'm 1120 00:50:11,590 --> 00:50:09,440 very much mistaken you have just been 1121 00:50:13,210 --> 00:50:11,600 invited oh we're going to be a 1122 00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:13,220 journalist of this convention aren't you 1123 00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:14,630 look um please don't call me a 1124 00:50:20,260 --> 00:50:16,250 journalist it's really insulting to 1125 00:50:24,130 --> 00:50:20,270 journalists sorry Kathy oh are you a 1126 00:50:25,900 --> 00:50:24,140 journalist yes ya see and you wouldn't 1127 00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:25,910 want me you know being in your ranks 1128 00:50:30,370 --> 00:50:28,010 would your minds I don't mind too much 1129 00:50:32,530 --> 00:50:30,380 mmm so what do you think'll be the big 1130 00:50:35,110 --> 00:50:32,540 big evening what will happen well I mean 1131 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:35,120 I'm gonna rent a room somewhere in a 1132 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:37,610 very cheap hotel in North Sydney and I'm 1133 00:50:41,110 --> 00:50:39,170 gonna go nuts on the Friday night but 1134 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:41,120 apart from that well I would urge you 1135 00:50:46,510 --> 00:50:43,610 not to because there's really good talks 1136 00:50:47,770 --> 00:50:46,520 of first thing on saturday morning big 1137 00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,780 Smith is going to be speaking first 1138 00:50:51,370 --> 00:50:49,520 thing on saturday morning you don't want 1139 00:50:53,140 --> 00:50:51,380 to be drunk for that no no definitely 1140 00:50:55,180 --> 00:50:53,150 not with a hanger no we're not talking 1141 00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:55,190 no don't you harsh my mellow I'm gonna 1142 00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:56,570 be taking serious drugs me and I'm not 1143 00:51:00,520 --> 00:50:58,850 gonna be drinking oh sorry like it's the 1144 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:00,530 National Conference we definitely do 1145 00:51:04,540 --> 00:51:02,450 sorry for under estimating you hey 1146 00:51:05,950 --> 00:51:04,550 that's right yep yep I mean I'm gonna be 1147 00:51:07,660 --> 00:51:05,960 sitting there in Gio's gonna be looking 1148 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:07,670 at me going who may know you shouldn't 1149 00:51:11,110 --> 00:51:09,410 drink drinking x i'm looking forward to 1150 00:51:12,820 --> 00:51:11,120 I'm having a chat to geo this year cuz 1151 00:51:14,590 --> 00:51:12,830 every time I bump into him at tam he's 1152 00:51:16,690 --> 00:51:14,600 always got everything stuff to say yeah 1153 00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:16,700 well he's going to be very busy because 1154 00:51:20,620 --> 00:51:18,770 he's going to be the emcee well and he's 1155 00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:20,630 also giving a talk and here's a lot of 1156 00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:23,630 people to sleep with well I mean have 1157 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:25,070 you seen the guy he was really popular 1158 00:51:29,490 --> 00:51:27,170 hey he's popular he's a good-looking guy 1159 00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:29,500 he's bringing his girlfriend with him 1160 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:33,920 girls stay away but I I hope you will 1161 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:36,290 have time to catch up with him oh I'm 1162 00:51:38,980 --> 00:51:37,490 gonna have a great chat with him because 1163 00:51:40,570 --> 00:51:38,990 I have a bit of an issue with him but 1164 00:51:43,630 --> 00:51:40,580 we'll talk later but what did you learn 1165 00:51:46,210 --> 00:51:43,640 about dinosaurs tonight sir I actually 1166 00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:46,220 heard this talk before so I knew most of 1167 00:51:50,380 --> 00:51:49,250 most of what John had to say today just 1168 00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:50,390 today I 1169 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:52,940 but look this that I think what we're 1170 00:51:56,740 --> 00:51:54,650 learning in the last few years about 1171 00:51:58,359 --> 00:51:56,750 honest is just amazing so everything 1172 00:52:00,130 --> 00:51:58,369 that John is talking about is old it's 1173 00:52:03,279 --> 00:52:00,140 not new just to me it's new to anybody 1174 00:52:04,809 --> 00:52:03,289 who's not in that field we sweep like 1175 00:52:09,009 --> 00:52:04,819 just like he said you know the dinosaurs 1176 00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,019 used to be these gray slow cold-blooded 1177 00:52:14,259 --> 00:52:11,359 creatures and now that they're Birds all 1178 00:52:15,370 --> 00:52:14,269 of a sudden yes well I'm gonna have I'm 1179 00:52:17,049 --> 00:52:15,380 gonna have a little chat with him 1180 00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:17,059 because I learned everything I know from 1181 00:52:21,370 --> 00:52:19,010 the Flintstones in Jurassic Park so I'm 1182 00:52:24,670 --> 00:52:21,380 going to chat with him right now good 1183 00:52:25,740 --> 00:52:24,680 luck with that do you I've my world's 1184 00:52:27,609 --> 00:52:25,750 been rocked tonight I'm actually 1185 00:52:29,650 --> 00:52:27,619 disgusted everything I knew about 1186 00:52:32,710 --> 00:52:29,660 dinosaurs I learned from the Flintstones 1187 00:52:35,740 --> 00:52:32,720 and Jurassic Park apparently they can't 1188 00:52:38,349 --> 00:52:35,750 undo doorknobs and they have feathers 1189 00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,359 and so who have we got here it's dr. 1190 00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:40,400 brad from embarrassing bodies down under 1191 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:43,609 now what have you learnt tonight oh yeah 1192 00:52:46,450 --> 00:52:44,690 I've learned as well about the 1193 00:52:49,269 --> 00:52:46,460 Flintstones so they don't have trash 1194 00:52:51,460 --> 00:52:49,279 compactors underneath their syncs with 1195 00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:51,470 with the cavemen growing up so what 1196 00:52:55,809 --> 00:52:53,750 dinosaurs get ingrown hairs with their 1197 00:52:57,519 --> 00:52:55,819 feathers or not I'm sure they get a bit 1198 00:52:59,890 --> 00:52:57,529 of folliculitis and maybe that's what 1199 00:53:02,890 --> 00:52:59,900 killed them and made them extinct now of 1200 00:53:05,559 --> 00:53:02,900 course you're on the front line of STD 1201 00:53:06,670 --> 00:53:05,569 and GP practice in Sydney what's been 1202 00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:06,680 happening this week has anyone got a 1203 00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:10,609 bowl nobody has a bowl of no not so far 1204 00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:12,559 i keep on just so disappointing yeah 1205 00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:13,849 they're bleeding from different places 1206 00:53:18,220 --> 00:53:15,680 but not from their eyes and not from 1207 00:53:20,049 --> 00:53:18,230 bola so it's all right ok if you had 1208 00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:20,059 anything in your surgery this week where 1209 00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:21,380 you're gone oh my god and you've 1210 00:53:25,359 --> 00:53:22,640 actually had a moment where you have 1211 00:53:27,579 --> 00:53:25,369 know how to handle it Noah maybe the 1212 00:53:29,710 --> 00:53:27,589 handle everything that I've seen so if i 1213 00:53:32,140 --> 00:53:29,720 don't know i'll ask the next person the 1214 00:53:35,019 --> 00:53:32,150 next room or or look it up pretty 1215 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:35,029 quickly what so you go you knock on the 1216 00:53:38,859 --> 00:53:36,650 door and get excuse me this guy's got 1217 00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:38,869 this and i haven't seen it before no 1218 00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:40,190 it's more about I'm funny of what 1219 00:53:44,069 --> 00:53:42,319 studies to put people in so I've been 1220 00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:44,079 learning about the spank study recently 1221 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:47,089 so it's yeah it makes you look tight 1222 00:53:50,490 --> 00:53:48,130 around the middle 1223 00:53:54,750 --> 00:53:50,500 not the Spanx study but this is Bank 1224 00:53:56,910 --> 00:53:54,760 study so SP ANC so if they're looking 1225 00:53:59,940 --> 00:53:56,920 for gay men that are over the age of 35 1226 00:54:03,230 --> 00:53:59,950 who haven't had anal cancer and the 1227 00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:03,240 whole whole process is looking up 1228 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:06,670 people's asses with a high-definition 1229 00:54:12,810 --> 00:54:09,970 camera and then taking biopsies of areas 1230 00:54:15,090 --> 00:54:12,820 looking for the human papillomavirus and 1231 00:54:17,580 --> 00:54:15,100 whether that's going to lead to cancer 1232 00:54:19,950 --> 00:54:17,590 in the future so though it's quite 1233 00:54:22,020 --> 00:54:19,960 interesting you're more likely to have 1234 00:54:24,870 --> 00:54:22,030 human papillomavirus if you're a gay man 1235 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:24,880 but you can still get tim papillomavirus 1236 00:54:30,060 --> 00:54:27,490 in different areas I was annoyed because 1237 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:30,070 I really wanted to take the vaccine and 1238 00:54:33,930 --> 00:54:32,170 dr. Rachel said main out it's too late 1239 00:54:35,670 --> 00:54:33,940 for you don't worry about it I'm 1240 00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:35,680 basically too old and not in the right 1241 00:54:40,020 --> 00:54:38,110 age group basically aren't I really well 1242 00:54:43,650 --> 00:54:40,030 that's why the vaccines there so they're 1243 00:54:46,220 --> 00:54:43,660 introducing it for young mainly and 1244 00:54:49,290 --> 00:54:46,230 people that would never go out with me 1245 00:54:50,820 --> 00:54:49,300 possibly possibly no but I so yeah so 1246 00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:50,830 with it with the for viruses that it 1247 00:54:54,540 --> 00:54:52,660 protects against with Tim papillomavirus 1248 00:54:56,970 --> 00:54:54,550 it covers two that are for genital warts 1249 00:54:59,250 --> 00:54:56,980 and two that will cause cervical cancer 1250 00:55:01,050 --> 00:54:59,260 but also cause penile cancer or anal 1251 00:55:03,060 --> 00:55:01,060 cancer as well it's good to see you here 1252 00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:03,070 to like what's it like extra cash you 1253 00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:04,630 spent you spend a lot of time in 1254 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:06,640 university cuz you're a doctor and who 1255 00:55:10,830 --> 00:55:08,770 are watching someone taught tell you 1256 00:55:13,110 --> 00:55:10,840 about dinosaurs is it interesting like 1257 00:55:15,450 --> 00:55:13,120 it just cuz you're pretty smart guy and 1258 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:15,460 you're learning stuff it's a little bit 1259 00:55:17,730 --> 00:55:16,210 different learning about dinosaurs 1260 00:55:20,070 --> 00:55:17,740 compared to learn about the human body 1261 00:55:22,110 --> 00:55:20,080 but it's just as interesting I think I 1262 00:55:24,510 --> 00:55:22,120 obsessed over dinosaurs like most little 1263 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:24,520 kids as well so it's good to dog you 1264 00:55:28,650 --> 00:55:27,010 yeah flag yeah keep on going and did you 1265 00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:28,660 love a bit in Jurassic Park with our 1266 00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,910 trying to open the door with their 1267 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:33,040 little tiny claws yeah yeah totally 1268 00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:34,530 totally 1269 00:55:37,490 --> 00:55:35,880 well think of a man she have a good 1270 00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:37,500 night here and don't cause too much 1271 00:55:41,330 --> 00:55:39,330 trouble we on the papilloma thing okay 1272 00:55:55,229 --> 00:55:41,340 I'll try not to spank too many people 1273 00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,029 virtual skeptics is a weekly web show in 1274 00:56:02,140 --> 00:55:59,839 which we discuss the latest news in 1275 00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:02,150 skepticism whether it's a new case of 1276 00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,650 spontaneous human combustion a 1277 00:56:08,049 --> 00:56:05,839 conspiracy theory the latest update on 1278 00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:08,059 the upcoming robot apocalypse tech news 1279 00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:09,710 for skeptics are the latest wacky 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the skeptic zone basically needs a new 1308 00:57:42,740 --> 00:57:40,040 iPad the old 1 i've been using now for 1309 00:57:44,570 --> 00:57:42,750 over three years is starting to show its 1310 00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:44,580 age and it's getting a little unreliable 1311 00:57:48,770 --> 00:57:47,310 and i use it in public speakings and i 1312 00:57:50,510 --> 00:57:48,780 use it to write scripts to the skeptic 1313 00:57:54,140 --> 00:57:50,520 zone and research and all that sort of 1314 00:57:59,540 --> 00:57:54,150 stuff if you want to help the skeptic 1315 00:58:02,120 --> 00:57:59,550 zone I'd be so grateful ah ww skeptics 1316 00:58:05,210 --> 00:58:02,130 on TV there's a paypal button on that 1317 00:58:06,830 --> 00:58:05,220 page and you can chip in a little bit I 1318 00:58:08,270 --> 00:58:06,840 hope to get one before the end of the 1319 00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:08,280 year I've got some talks coming up I've 1320 00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:10,500 got to talk coming up in camera on 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00:58:55,890 earrings so there you go a little in 1335 00:58:59,180 --> 00:58:57,390 heisman for you well that's enough 1336 00:59:01,819 --> 00:58:59,190 pleading and begging I'll just get off 1337 00:59:03,170 --> 00:59:01,829 my knees now thank you again for 1338 00:59:05,210 --> 00:59:03,180 listening to the skeptic zone this week 1339 00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:05,220 and thank you to all my reporters who do 1340 00:59:09,710 --> 00:59:07,170 such a great job as i said before 1341 00:59:11,329 --> 00:59:09,720 Maynard and joe alabaster and dr. 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